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such as this: http: //vmt. comxa. com/ learn how to do it I do believe that’s one of George’s sites : ask him. I realize it is… this is why I asked Because I" m sure George should see this… I’m pretty sure it’s the jQuery lavalamp – see this for further: http: //bit. ly/KYWzT Ok I will try that. With thanks! its identified as a lavalamp direction-finding effect. AM’s right there’s a lot of jquery tuts as it. Google is your own friend I surrender… too complicated. I’ll try this again on a new site but nevertheless thanks guys. Of which looks familiar… You might be right though, it had been annoying to implement.